Happy in Warsaw
Jette Gartmann, a Dane living in Poland, talks to Małgorzata Kaczorowska.
Why did you come to Poland?
I'm a Dane and my husband is Swiss. He works in Warsaw so I'm here too. But we both like to travel. After our children grew up we started traveling. First we traveled to Switzerland. After that we came back to Copenhagen. Later we went to Jordan, and after four years we traveled to Cape Town in South Africa. There we spent two years and next was Poland. I must say that I really like to travel.
How do you like Poland and Warsaw?
I find that this is very nice country, with pleasant, open and helpful people. I can say this because I don't speak Polish and people sometimes help me. I like this country very much; it's fantastic, although I haven't seen much until now. Poland is a special country, because it has everything: lakes, mountains and the sea. But somehow it's also very similar to Denmark.
Warsaw for me is a beautiful city with lovely parks, though it's a little bit confusing to get around. I use the Palace of Culture and Science to help orient myself when I have problems.
How would you compare the situation of women in Poland and in Denmark?
In Denmark women are more relaxed, in my opinion. In Poland, young women especially are focused on clothes; they are very well dressed.
The first difference which I've seen is the family situation. I've noticed that in Poland people think very early about starting a family. We had it in Denmark in the '60s. Everything now has changed. In Denmark women are still focused on their career. They want to study, then work, then achieve success, and afterwards they get married and they want to have children. In Poland I find that women have children very early, which in my opinion is better and very beautiful.
Danish women expect that society will take care of their children. It's the opposite in Poland-you take your child to your mother or mother-in-law when you are working. In Denmark it's more common to take children to a daycare or to kindergarten. What I find amazing in Warsaw, especially in the summer, is that the parks are full of grandmothers and grandfathers with children. I was so happy to see it. In Copenhagen, during working hours, the parks are empty, because everybody is working, even grandmas and grandpas. I think the lifestyle in Poland is better.
It's harder for women to get a good job here. In Denmark it's a little bit better. But in Denmark too, when employers have to choose between a man and a woman, mostly they chose the man. It's like that in Poland and it's very sad.
Is sexual harassment a problem in Denmark, as it is nowadays in Poland?
I think it always was. We started discussing this problem in Denmark many years ago. The government did a lot to overcome it. Of course it's very difficult to prove sexual harassment at work, for example. It's probably more of a problem here because in Denmark we started fighting it a little earlier.